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hey everybody how are you thanks for

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joining us again today how you doing Jay

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I'm doing fantastic how you doing Louie

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uh I'm I'm on the mend I've been sick

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for five days uh it sucks but uh super

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pumped up and uh it was a game day

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decision but here I am shooting all uh

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to chat with a brilliant mind uh fairly

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new mind within the last couple years

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really merged on the scene but uh we've

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had some viewer questions

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um some pretty aggressively worded about

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you know how uh how much are we gonna

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hold Ross coldheart's feet over the fire

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right and uh we're gonna ask them some

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stuff and uh basically even down to the

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point of we know he's in touch with

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these Congressional people people that

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are going to be testifying and uh you

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know is this sort of infighting and a

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lot of the snowball throwing that's

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going on is that actually preventing us

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from moving forward I mean I think that

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we run the risk maybe now of you know

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looking like a taboo subject that it

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doesn't get the light that it's deserved

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and we're so close so I want to ask him

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a couple things I know you've got some

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things in your mind that we want to ask

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and we want to get to know Mr Ross

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Coulter on episode 101 here of UAP

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast I am Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend and

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illustrious co-host Jason gilmat how are

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you I'm doing good how are you feeling

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I'm good I'm five days into this covid

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nonsense so if I can make it through the

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show without throwing up or passing out

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it's going to be a good one well it just

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shows that you're a trooper that uh you

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you still do the the podcast yeah and

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you're not feeling well so that's good

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it was a game day decision let's just

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leave it at that but I didn't want to

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miss today's show we do have a

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phenomenal mind on the topic

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um you know an investigative journalist

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an author of many books I'll name just a

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few here dead man running the Lost

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diggers Charles bean and recently in

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plain sight and also the co-host of a

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new show called need to know which is

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co-hosted with Bryce zabel we're very

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excited to welcome to the show today Mr

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Ross Colter

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good morning or good evening gentlemen

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how are you both

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been doing well well could be better but

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good enough I'm excited uh any day it's

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a good day we can chat about this stuff

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and I think I'm running off adrenaline

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fumes alone so uh we'll get into you've

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got you got covered at the moment Louie

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my family did yeah last week we have an

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18 year old baby in the middle of the

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night she just started throwing up and

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uh my wife and uh daughter took a test

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and they were positive I was negative

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for the whole week I sequestered and

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tickle in my throat and I didn't want to

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that evening and instead of the the test

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being that pink ribbon mine was almost

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black so wow yeah it's bizarre I mean

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I've had an appetite throughout it's not

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like a typical flu the flu it seems like

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vaccine you know you get this burst of

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cold chills and then you're fine and

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you have a post nasal drip but no

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congestion very odd not not like

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anything I've ever had before so sure

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yeah not a joke for sure but uh let's

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get into yourself uh who you are and

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what you've done your career obviously

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is an amazing one and then recently what

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led you into that sort of shift into the

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UAP world and uh and what you're working

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background about myself yes yeah

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absolutely okay I I'm an Australian

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based investigative journalist and

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author uh I've lived in Australia for

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New Zealand as a young boy because my

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father was convinced there was going to

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be a nuclear war kind of ironic in light

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of the current International climate and

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university in New Zealand practiced

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briefly as a lawyer and decided that I

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was far too nosy and became a journalist

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instead and focused very much on

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long-form investigative journalism I've

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worked for the New Zealand Herald

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newspaper the Sydney Morning Herald

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I've been on all of the Premier public

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sister program of the CBS 60 minutes

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program in America

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um and I'm currently uh an investigator

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journalist reporter with the spotlight

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program on the channel 7 Network in

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Australia which is Australia's number

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one commercial TV network

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and um I do contribute to contributory

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mainly True Crime I'm investigating a

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murder at the moment I do the the UAP

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stuff in between my day job

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two major documentaries on uaps since I

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year ago uh in plain sight should be

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available in North America but my uh

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publisher is pretty bloody hopeless

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about getting it on the shelves but if

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you go on Amazon you'll find it it's uh

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in plain sight an investigation into

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UFOs and impossible science

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and as a result of that book I um I was

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encouraged by my TV network to go to the

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states last year and I interviewed a

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large number of people for a film that

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we ended up calling the UFO phenomenon

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iteration it's it's had close to 15 to

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20 million views it's um it's taken me

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that I just treated this like any other

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story to be perfectly honest I I'm a

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journalist I jump from story to story uh

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becoming if you like an instant expert

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on something and then moving on

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this is a taboo area for mainstream

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media that that one of the things you

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learn in journalism is a Cub Cadet

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reporter is that it's kind of part of

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the culture of media organizations that

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UFO stories are to be treated with

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ridicule and contempt and derision and

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if you do mention them they're only ever

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meant to be done with a tongue on your

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cheek and it's not like there's Men In

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editorial conferences it's literally

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that there is a culture an attitude

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Washington and I because of my job I've

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done National Security terrorism defense

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stories quite a lot and I have sources

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in the intelligence and defense

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Community around the world and I started

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asking just dropping it into

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conversations over a beer you know what

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what about this UFO stuff you know what

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dissonance if you like between the

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public narrative which is one of

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ridicule and stigma and the private

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narrative which I was getting from many

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of the people that I talked to who are

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members of the Yakuza the the

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um UK USA Canada and New Zealand

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Australia Alliance of um the five eyes I

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scenes narrative that privately they

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take intelligence take on the phenomenon

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in the five eyes intelligence databases

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that it was being freely and openly

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discussed that there is a phenomenon

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which is basically breaching airspace

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particularly National Security airspace

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there that that essentially the media is

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largely ignoring we are essentially

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being I think Hoodwinked into ignoring a

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subject which I think is one of the most

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profound issues of the moment

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yeah and have you noticed a shift at all

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any but he say don't cover this subject

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something that you introduced to new

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reporters and that maybe they're taken

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dramatic shift I mean I I certainly for

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myself at the very beginning of my

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research when I was telling friends who

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are mainstream media journalists uh I'm

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in this country and internationally and

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the Toronto Star and you know a lot of

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the major newspapers around the world so

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icij which is the international

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based in Washington DC and a lot of my

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friends and colleagues in in different

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media organizations were basically

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saying to me gee you're you're taking a

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risk you know what a what a crazy

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foolish thing to to go and do a book

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about UFOs you know you're pissing your

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reputation up against the wall and I I

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don't see it like that I didn't see it

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like that at the time I think that in

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the media we have a responsibility to

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look at stories objective and not be

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worried about the stigma that gets

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attached to an issue we we should look

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at the evidence and then confine

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ourselves to an analysis based on

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evidence and on the evidence when I

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started looking both at the history and

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the current evidence for the phenomenon

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existence and its reality was

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journalism in particular is to never

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than not cover-ups are a screw-up more

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often than not it's incompetence that

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something's being hidden by a bureaucrat

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it's not a deliberate policy

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but in this case I've very much come to

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the view that there is an unwillingness

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by multiple governments around the world

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notably the British Canadian Australian

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French and American governments to

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discuss the reality of the phenomenon

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and I think the American government's

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come part of the way in the last few

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years with its very very slow

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turtle-like revealing of the fact that

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it seized a phenomenon as a reality

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but to come back to the the central

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thrust of your question do I think that

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there's been a change no I don't I in

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fact I think if anything it's being

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walked back at the moment I think we're

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in a a very dangerous period at the

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moment for the possibility of any kind

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of admissions being made by the Pentagon

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or indeed by the American

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um intelligence Community or defense

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Community I I think that if American

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mainstream media don't start embracing

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the subject matter and taking it up and

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running with it and making it a

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Forefront issue in the National

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bulletins then frankly it's just going

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to die on the vine and I think it will

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probably be another 70 years before we

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find out what's really going on even

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though I'm absolutely convinced that

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there is a reality there behind the

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scenes and that we are being liked to

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the um the government particularly the

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American government knows a lot more

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than it's letting on yeah later in

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omissions right yeah we chat with a guy

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like George Knapp who's very similar to

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yourself he's a CBS reporter in Nevada

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he broke the story of Bob Lazar and

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everything else and he's been doing this

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for 30 some years and for him we chatted

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with him he said you know this is almost

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like Vindication you know like he was

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warned of the same that you don't want

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to talk about this stuff your career

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would go way higher if you just stay

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away from the alien phenomenon he

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believe enough in it that he kept on

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going and then in 2017 with the Tic Tac

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videos and then recently in 2020 with

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the Department of Defense saying hey

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these things may actually pose some type

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of a threat especially in a military

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capacity so I want to ask you about that

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what are your thoughts because there's

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many opinions on this we have our own

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and so do others but what are your

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thoughts on the threat narrative quote

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unquote is it a legitimate threat or

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threatening enough that we should just

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look at it more to make sure it's not a

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threat well I think you've gotta you've

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got to look at what you mean by threat I

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I don't think there's an imminent threat

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of

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you know harm from some non-human

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intelligence if that's what it is

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um but you have to put yourself into the

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brain of a military strategic thinker

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and uh I've explored this personally

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with lu Elizondo the former

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um investigator for the the Pentagon

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into the UFO UAP issue and he admits

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that my analysis is pretty much right

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when they're talking about a threat

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they're not talking about you know an

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imminent threat of invasion from Zeta

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reticuli by by guide Little Green Men

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what they're talking about is there is a

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phenomenon which is

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an imminent threat for Pilots flight

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safety I mean we have incidents where

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Pilots are terribly worried that they're

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going to have a mid-air collision with

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these objects I'm talking pretty much

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regularly with um Pilots particularly on

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the west and east coast of America but

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also some now who've contacted me who

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served in the Middle East and they're

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talking about near miss incursions with

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these objects where whatever they are

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they're solid they're showing up on

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radar and they're coming sometimes

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within 50 feet of their aircraft so

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they're worried about flight safety and

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more importantly by definition something

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that hovers and takes a clear interest

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in nuclear facilities nuclear weapons is

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by definition a threat

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you know that's that's a concern I mean

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if you and I got into a helicopter or

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flew a drone over a nuclear facility or

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a nuclear weapons facility we'd be in

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jail pretty damn quickly and and the

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thing that I find really disingenuous at

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the moment about a lot of people on UFO

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social media is their almost naive

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truculence they they attack people like

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um

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some of the uh the inside I think is

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like Elizondo like melon for talking

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about threat and they're suggesting that

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what they're doing is it's the Stephen

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Greer narratives that Stephen Greer has

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been pushing for years that they're

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talking about an alien invasion for

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[\h__\h] sake they're not suggesting that

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at all what they're suggesting is that

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by definition something that hovers over

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nuclear facilities something that that

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takes a close interest in nuclear

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weapons and that is beyond any measure

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of Doubt a reality that's a threat

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period and and a military and in an

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intelligence service have an obligation

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by you know the Constitution of the

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United States but also

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um ethically legally to protect the

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people from what they perceive are

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possible threats and I I don't

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understand why it's even an issue

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frankly that um that people use the

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terminology thread because if there is

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an unknown aerial phenomena that is

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solid that is real that is that is

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hovering over nuclear facilities that

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has been on scene on occasion to

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actually direct beams of light or some

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kind of energy into the repositories

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where nuclear weapons are stored uh if

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it is the case as people like Rob Salas

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have testified that Minuteman missiles

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have been interfered with without being

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powered down and not made capable of

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operating or in the Russian example

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where they've basically been powered up

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and literally one click away from launch

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that is by any definition a threat why

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are we even discussing this and and that

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that's what frustrates me about this is

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that I want to talk more broadly at the

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moment about the pathetic purile coin

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scoring on UFO social media where people

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go ah Lua lizondo said he was the head

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of atip but atip doesn't exist therefore

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he's a liar therefore it's a

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disinformation campaign or

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um ah people are saying that it's a

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threat but there's no evidence of an

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alien invasion therefore it can't

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possibly be true this is all [\h__\h]

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it's all disinformation let's go back to

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our normal lives and watch Kim

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Kardashian I'm sorry I'm so tired and

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weary of the purial nonsense that passes

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for intellectual debate on UFO social

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media yeah it's time to grow up guys

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you know there really is this infantile

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purile game scoring Point scoring which

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is just pathetic and and I think one of

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the issues that has played being played

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games with is the issue of so-called

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threat it's very very clear when these

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people are talking about threat that

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what they're talking about is the issue

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of military installations military

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directly being

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having their their security perimeters

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breached by a phenomenon that appears

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completely impervious to the detection

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systems and the um the Weaponry systems

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of known technology and that that by any

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definition is a threat period we should

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stop the argument and move on and just

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basically start analyzing it and doing

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the data analysis I mean in the well

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well UFO Twitter tears itself apart in

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this kind of purile debate about who's a

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disinformation agent and who's basically

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uh pushing an agenda that's you know

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some Men In Black Agenda I just don't

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get the purile suspicious paranoid

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nonsense that passes for debate on a lot

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of UAP Twitter at the moment but um

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people have just got to stop worrying

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about that sort of nonsense and get on

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with data analysis

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you know one of the things that um I'm

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impressed with is there's an initiative

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by a company called Enigma Labs which is

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avowedly about the collecting of data

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with a view to providing a scientific

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database that allows people to more

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correctly understand and analyze the

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phenomenon people like Professor Ravi

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Lowe at Harvard University with his

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Galileo project there's any number of

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initiatives uapx

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they're all institutions that are about

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collecting data that's what we need to

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start doing the only way that this issue

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is ever going to get into the Forefront

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of mainstream media attention is if

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people put aside their pathetic

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pure oil differences and actually start

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collaborating in data analysis and data

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collection and actually present

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well-reasoned you know clever scientific

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analysis and one of my favorite

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organizations in that regard is the SCU

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the scientific Coalition for the study

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of uaps people like Rich Hoffman you

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know they're really superb scientists

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who are doing a really solid job

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analyzing data and trying to understand

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the phenomenon because they accept that

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it's real but with every step forward

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there's two steps backward because at

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the moment there's this troll Factory I

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suspect a lot of it's disinformation

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deliberate disinformation but there's

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this troll Factory of

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infantile purile trolls who who

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basically seek to pull down anybody that

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comes forward with new information I'll

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give you an example I mean I've just

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this morning been dealing with um uh

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follow-up uh emails many of them very

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informative about a story I ran on need

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to know the podcast I do with Bryce

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Sable where we featured an interview

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with a British soldier called John

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Chapman he's a British Army veteran

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highly decorated well-respected guy in

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his own unit I've checked him out

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thoroughly he is who he says he is he's

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shared his service record with me and he

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testified to us in the vodcast podcast

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that we do that during a battle while

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they were under Fire in Ukraine on the

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banks of the urban River in Kiev they

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were basically witness him and seven

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other colleagues to

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a craft of some kind that emerged from

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three Amber orbs in the sky at about a

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thousand feet

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now I don't mind scientific Response and

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Analysis I welcome it I welcome Skeptics

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gift skepticism and I'm sure we will

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we'll get a skeptical rejoinder at some

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stage I'm sure from many people

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but um the

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purile infantile teenage jock side of

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UFO Twitter would seek to denigrate a

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serviceman by calling him or slurring

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him as a mercenary when he's actually a

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signed up member of the Ukrainian Armed

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Forces

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um the um the way in which people's

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motives are attacked and anybody

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basically pushing something that gives

549
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:46,679
the trolls an opportunity to get an edge

550
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:49,380
I can understand why and I read recently

551
00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:51,299
that one preeminent researcher is

552
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,740
withdrawing for the from the field

553
00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:54,480
because they're just sick of the trolls

554
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,299
and that that's not scientific criticism

555
00:22:01,490 --> 00:21:59,700
it's not good analysis you know one

556
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:01,500
person had a swipe at John the soldier

557
00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:03,900
because he didn't film during the battle

558
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:06,059
and what that told me of course was that

559
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:07,620
they hadn't actually watched or listened

560
00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:10,559
to the podcast at all because in the

561
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:13,380
podcast he explains they were under Fire

562
00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:16,860
During the period that they were in the

563
00:22:21,409 --> 00:22:19,020
sighting area they couldn't possibly

564
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,419
pull out a shiny camera with lights on

565
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:24,000
it and direct it at an object in the sky

566
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:25,740
because they would have been shot

567
00:22:30,669 --> 00:22:29,400
and it's the intentional naivety the the

568
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:30,679
stupid

569
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,600
weird way that people behave to

570
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:36,000
denigrate people like a military service

571
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:37,860
person who have the courage to come

572
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:40,559
forward and I I feel the same way also

573
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:44,520
about the people who seek to to besmirch

574
00:22:50,029 --> 00:22:46,740
um people like Alex dietrichs the fa-18

575
00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:50,039
pilot who has come forward on her own

576
00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:52,020
initiative along with other Pilots to

577
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,179
testify about what she and other Pilots

578
00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:56,480
have seen and then they're told

579
00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:00,600
patronizingly by purported Skeptics that

580
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,520
they didn't really see what they saw and

581
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,799
they were probably confused and you know

582
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:06,240
they probably confused it for a

583
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:07,500
reflection on the inside of their

584
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:09,179
cockpit

585
00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:11,640
we really have to grow up guys because

586
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,039
it takes I can tell you as a journalist

587
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:16,440
a hell of a lot to persuade people to

588
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:19,260
come forward and give evidence and I'm

589
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,620
not here to serve UFO Twitter I don't

590
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:24,720
give a flying [\h__\h] frankly about UFO

591
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:27,240
Twitter what I do care is the exposition

592
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:29,220
of the information that's needing to be

593
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:32,039
revealed and the the interesting thing

594
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:36,780
is that um there is a selfishness and a

595
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,080
an impatience uh there from an audience

596
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:42,419
who just see this as entertainment it's

597
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,720
not entertainment it's data it's data

598
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:47,640
about one of the most important if not

599
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:50,520
the most important issue of our time

600
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,159
but by seeking to denigrate people who

601
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:55,740
come forward by seeking to attack the

602
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:57,480
motives of people who are willing to

603
00:24:00,529 --> 00:23:59,280
come forward with evidence as sightings

604
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,539
Witnesses

605
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,880
all they're doing is scaring them off

606
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:05,760
and I Frank Frankly UAP social media

607
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:07,500
should be ashamed of itself it's time to

608
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,380
take a long hard look at itself and

609
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,659
wonder really is it does it serve any

610
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,460
useful purpose to behave the way it

611
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:17,039
behaves right and frankly these trolls

612
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:18,840
they need to be outed they need to be

613
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,260
exposed good skeptical criticism is fine

614
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:24,360
but people who denigrate the character

615
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:27,240
of people people who attack people and

616
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:28,440
seek to

617
00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:28,980
um

618
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,659
to destroy them

619
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:32,880
they need to be pulled down they need to

620
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,400
be destroyed yeah no because we can't

621
00:24:39,529 --> 00:24:37,860
tolerate that that's unscientific

622
00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:39,539
scientists indeed there are some

623
00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:41,220
scientists who behave in a very very

624
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,840
unscientific way

625
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,880
you know they have a paradigm that they

626
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:47,159
accept as the reality Paradigm and if it

627
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:49,080
if something comes into their worldview

628
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:50,940
that conflicts with their Paradigm then

629
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:53,220
they immediately seek to denigrate the

630
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:54,659
person delivering it so this is a

631
00:25:00,049 --> 00:24:56,580
problem in science as much as it is in

632
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:00,059
in the um the UAP research area

633
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,520
but I think we're this is a broad issue

634
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:04,200
that I'm responding to

635
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,039
um

636
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:07,919
that I think explains why the media the

637
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:09,720
mainstream media is largely staying away

638
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,260
from this issue because frankly

639
00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:15,539
you should be ashamed of yourselves

640
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,640
we get it too we'll get people that are

641
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,440
even fans that'll say hey love the show

642
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,419
but you know why don't you hammer on

643
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,640
Preston Dennett to provide evidence for

644
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,919
what he was saying like our flavor is

645
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:27,600
that we don't make people uncomfortable

646
00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:29,700
and more often than not even guys like

647
00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:31,620
Sean Cahill you know the right-hand man

648
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:33,779
to Lou Elizondo they'll tell us more

649
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,220
things that they've never told anybody

650
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,440
because we always joke around and say

651
00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:39,480
it's a safe space so we're not here to

652
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:41,100
shine the flashlight in somebody's eye

653
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,140
everyone has a right to tell their story

654
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,840
in the way they see fit we vetted these

655
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,000
people as well so it's not like anybody

656
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:50,400
is on our show but yeah it's that

657
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:52,260
propensity to just why didn't you jump

658
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,419
down his throat well and you know or

659
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,159
even we had a comment when we said hey

660
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:57,840
you know we're so excited um you know

661
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:59,220
Ross Colter is coming on the show

662
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,080
somebody message and said is it going to

663
00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:02,880
be new information or the same recital

664
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:05,220
it's like go [\h__\h] yourself don't watch

665
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,900
the show then you know what I mean like

666
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,640
no and I think we have to say that more

667
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,520
I mean I frankly I I mean I I really

668
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,799
think that is just an absolutely vital

669
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:16,380
response because absolutely um you know

670
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:18,360
one of the things that I'm at pains to

671
00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:22,500
do is to show people courtesy and um uh

672
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:24,500
I I think um

673
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:27,059
it's very interesting because one of the

674
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,679
difficulties you have as a journalist is

675
00:26:33,230 --> 00:26:30,900
you often know a hundred times more than

676
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:33,240
what you can reveal publicly and there

677
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:37,679
is a side of the UAP community that

678
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,940
seems to feel that it's my

679
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,500
responsibility to come out and spill my

680
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:41,760
guts and tell everybody everything

681
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:44,640
immediately and if I don't then I'm I'm

682
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,120
hiding and I'm part of the cover-up and

683
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:49,860
um one of the things that people don't

684
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:51,720
understand is that journalists operate

685
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,320
under both legal and ethical constraints

686
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,080
um you know I I'm under an obligation to

687
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,480
protect sources and I will always do so

688
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:02,520
I've been in court cases where I've

689
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,380
refused to reveal sources and I've been

690
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:06,720
told that I could face criminal contempt

691
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:08,700
prosecution if I refuse to reveal it and

692
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:11,700
I've stood my ground but it's important

693
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,580
it's absolutely important if there is

694
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:16,620
and I believe there is if there is a

695
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,779
cover-up of issues pertaining to this

696
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:21,600
phenomenon inside certain governments

697
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:23,340
and I believe there is

698
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,340
then the people who hold that

699
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:28,620
information they need to be respected

700
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,659
they need to be treated with courtesy

701
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,820
and they need to be thanked for coming

702
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,340
forward with the information they hold

703
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,960
it's funny I had a conversation with

704
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:38,760
this morning with another person who

705
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,880
told me about a sighting in Ukraine

706
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:43,919
and they asked me

707
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,900
you know do you think I should come

708
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:48,960
forward publicly and I I have to admit

709
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,700
you know I don't know if I would

710
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:52,320
encourage them at the moment frankly I

711
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,640
think I would encourage them maybe to

712
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:55,380
privately speak to an organization like

713
00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:58,200
the Galileo project or Enigma Labs or

714
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:00,120
you know one of the organizations like

715
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:03,419
that collect data but um I think we're

716
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:05,460
at a stage now where

717
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,620
we just basically have to get on with it

718
00:28:12,669 --> 00:28:10,799
and ignore the idiots

719
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,679
the purile

720
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,659
people with the brains of adolescent

721
00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:17,940
teenage boys who who seem to think it's

722
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:20,279
fun to attack people who have the

723
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:21,960
courage to come forward with what they

724
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:22,740
know

725
00:28:31,789 --> 00:28:26,580
and um there's a really nasty side a

726
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:31,799
really nasty side on UAP Twitter that I

727
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,720
think they don't realize just how much

728
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,000
damage they're causing and they've done

729
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:37,919
it but they know who they are they've

730
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:39,419
done it for entertainment purposes

731
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,340
they've done it to generate clickbait

732
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,919
and um

733
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,659
uh you know

734
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:48,179
bugger them as you say [\h__\h] them you

735
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:49,860
know it's time to move on we're trying

736
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:52,020
to destigmatize this and get the taboo

737
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,120
away from it so that mainstream media

738
00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:56,279
takes it a little more serious and if

739
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,539
that's the first thing that comes up

740
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:59,159
when you search the topic on Twitter

741
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:01,140
they're gonna stay away from it as long

742
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:03,000
as possible because it's not worthy of

743
00:29:06,649 --> 00:29:04,740
their attention and they don't want to

744
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,659
be drugged down to look just as immature

745
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:08,700
and stupid right it's it's not helping

746
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,340
the movement so that's my yeah I mean

747
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:13,200
it's it's not a movement I don't I don't

748
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:14,400
like the idea that it's a movement I

749
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,140
don't see myself as an activist I just

750
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:18,720
see myself as a journalist uh I mean the

751
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:20,279
bottom line is

752
00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:24,960
um I think if the New York Times devoted

753
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,899
the same level of coverage to the UAP

754
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:30,720
issue as it devotes currently to the

755
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:33,720
January the 60th issue uh you know the

756
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:36,120
Insurrection on the U.S Congress right

757
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:37,980
uh I I think that we would probably

758
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:40,860
crack this within a year

759
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,640
I really do and I I don't believe that

760
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:47,580
it's an unawareness of the reality of

761
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,899
the phenomenon that's stopping the

762
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:51,360
editors and the um the journalists from

763
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:52,980
doing it I certainly know good people

764
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,320
like Leslie Kane and Ralph blumenthaler

765
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:57,120
desperately Keen to get stories in the

766
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,140
paper there

767
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:00,720
but no I think there's a I I I I I I

768
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,299
think they're tempering themselves by

769
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:05,220
what they perceive Their audience wants

770
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:08,100
newspapers are essentially

771
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:09,659
um classified advertising wrapped around

772
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,779
news they always have been and um you

773
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,220
know while they give themselves pompous

774
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,440
titles as you know investigators of the

775
00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:17,760
truth the reality is they're still

776
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:20,340
trying to sell ads and they think people

777
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:22,679
don't want to know about this issue

778
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,460
and frankly UFO Twitter UFO social media

779
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:28,320
is doing a really bad job of

780
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,399
communicating a uh unanimity uh a

781
00:30:35,889 --> 00:30:33,600
collegial

782
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:35,899
willingness to investigate

783
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,080
they're playing stupid pure Isle games

784
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:42,120
infantile games and

785
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,100
um there's a kind of a gotcha mentality

786
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:46,919
uh that I really hate and I see it you

787
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:48,659
see it in journalism everywhere as well

788
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:51,059
but I've never seen it quite so harsh as

789
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,679
I've seen it in the subject of this

790
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:54,720
particular field and there's this

791
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:57,240
attempt to pull people down all the time

792
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,100
anybody who sticks their head up and

793
00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:01,320
basically says I've seen X Y and Z

794
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,419
within a few months they're pulled down

795
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,240
and attacked and I'm shocked I'm amazed

796
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:09,120
how many people I've spoken to and I've

797
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:12,659
I've been chasing darn old stories that

798
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,779
interest me and I'm amazed how often the

799
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,640
reason that the people cite about why

800
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:19,620
they went quiet why they don't want to

801
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,760
engage anymore is because they frankly

802
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:25,440
got sick of the way they were being

803
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:29,760
trolled on social media and I I don't

804
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:31,080
know whether it's an organized thing

805
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,700
whether there is in fact some kind of

806
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:34,440
bloody government troll Factory that's

807
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:36,360
sending out this information I I think

808
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,620
to be honest with you it's just people

809
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,360
who are trying to generate clickbait for

810
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,279
their podcasts and their social media

811
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:43,799
blogs who are basically just going out

812
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,919
there generating hate and what they

813
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,020
don't realize I we invest them with

814
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:52,020
power by responding to them yeah now I

815
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:53,520
don't include in that by the way people

816
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,760
like Nick West who even though mix you

817
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:58,320
know on occasion I'm sure he'll find

818
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,700
issues with some of the things that I've

819
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,679
said and spoken about it's really good

820
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
that we have people who try scientific

821
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,240
skepticism that's that's I'm not being

822
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:08,580
patronizing I think it's important and

823
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:12,360
and sometimes we do get things wrong

824
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,799
um you know media gets things wrong

825
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:16,559
people putting blogs up on UFOs social

826
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:18,659
media get things wrong and when we get

827
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:19,980
things wrong we should acknowledge it

828
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,260
and we should move on

829
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:24,600
um that's good science yeah but one of

830
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:26,520
the other things too is um

831
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,640
uh uh I've been noticing recently that a

832
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:30,960
lot of the um

833
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:33,720
the people like we did a documentary uh

834
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,179
a few months ago now where we

835
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,460
interviewed a man claiming to be an

836
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:40,500
abductee experience a guy called Jim

837
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,340
marlin in Texas and he allowed us to

838
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:47,279
test take away a sphere a metal sphere

839
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:49,860
that he explained was gifted to and very

840
00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:52,200
unusual circumstances that he believes

841
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,659
is alien technology and it's really

842
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:57,059
interesting because a lot of people are

843
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,220
saying well where's the where's the

844
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:01,200
scientific results you know when are you

845
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,940
going to hand them over

846
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:04,740
um I don't know you guys an explanation

847
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:06,899
I don't give a [\h__\h] what people on UAP

848
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,240
Twitter and think I'll I'll let Gary

849
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:10,799
Nolan the professor at Stanford

850
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:13,080
University take all the time in the

851
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:15,720
world he needs to make his scientific

852
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:18,299
analyzes and in the meantime I will

853
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:20,100
continue Gathering the information that

854
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,980
has come in the door that that came as a

855
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:25,140
result of me publishing that story

856
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,179
one of the things that amused me was

857
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:29,039
people seem to feel that you shouldn't

858
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,659
publish until you've definitively

859
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:32,820
reached a conclusion on something but

860
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:34,919
that's what a scientist does I'm not a

861
00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:37,260
scientist I'm a journalist I report

862
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:39,539
things as they come along so if somebody

863
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:41,159
comes to me with a bit of technology

864
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,260
that they say as alien technology I'll

865
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:46,320
report that and if it turns out not to

866
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,539
be then that's fine I acknowledge that

867
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:50,640
but I'm not saying that's the case in

868
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:51,720
fact things are getting very very

869
00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:53,220
interesting with the metallic spheres

870
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:54,899
there's some very very interesting

871
00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:57,059
evidence coming in the door and you know

872
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:57,779
what

873
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:00,600
I'm only going to publish it when I am

874
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:03,299
good and ready and the people on UFO

875
00:34:06,889 --> 00:34:05,100
Twitter or whoever you are who seem to

876
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:06,899
feel that I have a scientific obligation

877
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:09,780
to publish all my data up front before I

878
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:12,060
allow myself to publish I'm not a

879
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,280
scientist you know I'm not putting my

880
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:16,440
stuff up for peer review I'm not an Avi

881
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:18,899
lobe I don't have to conform to peer

882
00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:21,480
review standards I'm publishing news as

883
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:22,820
it happens

884
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,260
journalists are essentially recording

885
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:27,839
the first draft of history and sometimes

886
00:34:32,089 --> 00:34:29,879
that history is wrong sometimes it's

887
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,099
inaccurate sometimes it's misleading but

888
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,599
what we're doing is we're reporting as

889
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,700
we go along and I think that's one of

890
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:37,919
the fundamental misunderstandings that

891
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:40,740
um comes through a lot on on UAP social

892
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:43,560
media people seem to fear well why why

893
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:45,240
are you running this stuff now you know

894
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:46,679
why not wait until you've got all the

895
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,419
results in or you know why don't you

896
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,700
include this in your data I'm not a

897
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:52,619
bloody scientist mate piss off and go

898
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,940
back in your little corner and do

899
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,260
whatever it is you need to do to get

900
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:57,359
over your frustrations

901
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:00,359
um I I really truly am over these people

902
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:03,720
who seem to feel that they have power to

903
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,119
tell people like me what to do in

904
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,640
investigating the phenomenon and I think

905
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:10,680
we have to come far more aggressively

906
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,380
back at them and say listen you you

907
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:15,180
don't tell us what to do we're

908
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:16,859
journalists we're investigators we're

909
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,500
digging we're investigating and more

910
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,960
importantly and this is the key issue

911
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:23,760
more importantly we're going to be

912
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:26,099
courteous we're going to be kind we're

913
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,540
going to be friendly even to people

914
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:29,760
we're disagreeing with because we may be

915
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:30,540
wrong

916
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:32,579
yeah absolutely do you think this is

917
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,740
keeping people like for example at the

918
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,540
Congressional hearings do this type of

919
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,400
attack and everything else I mean we had

920
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,560
a a viewer question that said you know

921
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,200
in terms of corporate interest is anyone

922
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,079
preventing people from testifying but a

923
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:48,180
that question or B are people just

924
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,980
worried again you see what happens on

925
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:51,300
Twitter when you make a statement

926
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,220
everybody wants to rip your head off now

927
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:54,960
you want to go to Congress and testify

928
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:57,300
are there people genuinely worried about

929
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:59,099
this tsunami of [\h__\h] they're going

930
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:01,500
to bring on themselves if they if they

931
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:03,180
put their hand up and try to try to be

932
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,079
helpful yes yes and yes absolutely and

933
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,119
frankly I'm talking to people of the

934
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,700
moment who are wavering because they're

935
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:13,920
seeing the level of nastiness and

936
00:36:17,470 --> 00:36:15,720
vitriol that's being directed at people

937
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,480
who have come forward like Alex

938
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,160
dietrichs you know pretty much anybody

939
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,839
who comes forward with any new

940
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:23,940
information at the moment is immediately

941
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,460
pulled down and vilified wouldn't mind

942
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:28,680
if it was for solid scientific reasons

943
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:31,140
but more often than not it's just

944
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:32,940
somebody wanting to have a go you know

945
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:35,400
and often it's nasty often it's really

946
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:37,560
nasty bullying in elementary school it

947
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:39,060
is it isn't gonna get it right yeah no

948
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:41,940
it is and it's funny it's funny I I I

949
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:43,859
you know they know who they are there's

950
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:46,380
certain key figures and they remind me

951
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,300
of the boys in high school who weren't

952
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:51,300
very bright who were you know not very

953
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:53,220
nice people most people didn't like them

954
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:54,480
and so the way they distinguished

955
00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:56,099
themselves was by basically pushing

956
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:58,619
people around and you know what I've

957
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,079
never liked bullies and I don't like the

958
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:04,079
bullies in UFO social media and uh they

959
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,700
need to be taken down they need to be

960
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,160
called out and vilified and exposed for

961
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,440
what they are because what they're doing

962
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:12,599
is they are actually deterring people

963
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:15,300
from perceiving

964
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,400
the community of people who are

965
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:19,440
interested in this issue as showing

966
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:21,420
unanimity of opinion that there needs to

967
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,220
be a public exposition of this issue

968
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:25,680
what they're reading instead on UFO

969
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:28,859
Twitter UFO social media is we're

970
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:30,660
basically fighting amongst ourselves you

971
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,240
know we're stricken with um dissent and

972
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,119
argument and nastiness uh if I was a

973
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,160
whistleblower and I'm in contact myself

974
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:40,440
with multiple people who've told me that

975
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:42,359
they would either want to give evidence

976
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,280
or they're considering giving evidence

977
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:46,380
or in some cases they've actually been

978
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:49,260
approached to give evidence and

979
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,900
yeah they're really concerned at what

980
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:53,700
they see and it's one of the reasons

981
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,000
frankly why I can understand why there

982
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:58,800
might be a need for secret hearings

983
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,020
confidential hearings that are held in

984
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,660
camera in the Congress before any kind

985
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:06,240
of public hearing why would you if you

986
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:08,339
were a defense scientist an intelligence

987
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,099
Community scientist with knowledge of a

988
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:13,680
program why would you come forward and

989
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:16,680
expose yourself to the purile infantile

990
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:19,560
bullying of certain cliques on UFO

991
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:21,960
social media and for that matter why do

992
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,420
we invest them with so much power let's

993
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:26,880
just ignore them yeah

994
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:30,300
yeah I if you even noticed uh on social

995
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,720
media the most obviously is Twitter like

996
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:35,579
you mentioned but it's not equal wheat

997
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:38,280
it's not like the person that is saying

998
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:39,960
Hey where's all your hardcore evidence

999
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:42,119
like people that are after you I mean

1000
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:43,980
say just because they have the name UFO

1001
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:47,339
Joe does not make them a UAP expert or

1002
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,460
equal weight to your research oh no UFO

1003
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:52,260
Joe Murphy is a friend of mine I like

1004
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,660
Joe Mogan uh I have no criticisms of Joe

1005
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:56,700
Murphy he's a good guy he's a fabulous

1006
00:39:02,050 --> 00:38:59,579
work just just saying the name just say

1007
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,030
the name that the guy exists foot in

1008
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:08,160
mouth yeah exactly geez yeah yeah now

1009
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:09,540
you've got to be very careful because

1010
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:11,940
yeah I mean I I I you know but people

1011
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,560
they know who they are I mean frankly

1012
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:15,780
there are people out there on UFO social

1013
00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:17,339
media who

1014
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,099
who sadly have diminished themselves

1015
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:22,079
yeah you know for a while there they

1016
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:25,380
were doing good critical stuff and

1017
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:27,540
um I don't know why they do it I think

1018
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:29,339
as they're losing relevance because as

1019
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:32,040
this issue becomes more mainstream a lot

1020
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:33,720
of people who've been around for a while

1021
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,599
on the circuit uh worried about

1022
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:38,820
maintaining their relevance and so what

1023
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,020
they're now doing is they're taking

1024
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,180
deliberately aggressive contrarian

1025
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:44,820
positions not for good solid scientific

1026
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,619
reasons or journalistic reasons but

1027
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,240
because it generates them clickbait

1028
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,240
because there always will be a purile

1029
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:53,460
infantile audience out there that loves

1030
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:54,540
conflict

1031
00:39:58,849 --> 00:39:56,339
and you know it may work for them to

1032
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,859
generate them clickbait but frankly in

1033
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:01,500
the long run it's not helping public

1034
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:03,960
perception of this as an issue that

1035
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:05,700
needs to be driven before the Congress

1036
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,960
and and exposed and investigated instead

1037
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:12,119
what what's being presented as of a

1038
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,560
community of people who have an interest

1039
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:15,780
in the subject matter stricken with

1040
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,700
division and divisiveness

1041
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:18,720
right

1042
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:20,820
but we also have that issue globally

1043
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:23,460
where we don't play along with other

1044
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:25,260
countries when it comes down to this

1045
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:28,500
issue there was recently a group of

1046
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:31,020
Jacques Valley had went to this event in

1047
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,900
I believe it was France or all Italy and

1048
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,220
everybody showed up England everybody

1049
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:37,980
except the US the US did not was not

1050
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,680
represented there and that's an issue

1051
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,720
because obviously we're not we know the

1052
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,920
rest of the countries are not playing

1053
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:45,780
ball with the us and we keep waiting for

1054
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:48,060
the U.S to admit that this is real

1055
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,099
before we all go oh yeah I know we have

1056
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,440
the same yeah okay but uh Jason I think

1057
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,599
the US has already admitted this is real

1058
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:56,760
yeah I mean I think one of the things

1059
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:58,619
that I don't think people realize is

1060
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,040
just how far we have come since the New

1061
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:05,520
York Times expositions in December 2017.

1062
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:09,119
I mean the June 2021 report that was

1063
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,619
tended in the Congress 25 June 2021 was

1064
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:15,359
a momentous document even though it was

1065
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:17,400
one of the most dull documents because

1066
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:19,260
it essentially admitted that they could

1067
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,520
not explain 143 out of 144 UFO UAP

1068
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,680
incidents and they then in later

1069
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:27,900
testimony in May this year have admitted

1070
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,700
that there are now hundreds of incidents

1071
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:32,400
400 plus incidents at the time of the

1072
00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:34,200
May hearings and it's considerably more

1073
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:37,800
now and these are incidents which

1074
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:40,859
presumably have been investigated by UAP

1075
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,839
investigators inside the Pentagon and

1076
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:44,280
the intelligence community and they've

1077
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,680
not been able to find a Prozac

1078
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:49,020
explanation for them so in and of

1079
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,240
themselves those admissions that have

1080
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:53,880
been made by the UAP task force to the

1081
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,180
Congress our that they are momentous

1082
00:42:03,050 --> 00:41:59,640
they're extraordinary because you have a

1083
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:03,060
nation America admitting it cannot

1084
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,220
explain this phenomenon it is a genuine

1085
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:09,119
mystery but what I think has happened is

1086
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,900
there are competing interests here one I

1087
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:14,640
don't think people realize just how

1088
00:42:19,069 --> 00:42:17,339
dangerous the world is right now and

1089
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:19,079
most of the people that I speak to in

1090
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,579
the U.S intelligence and defense

1091
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,160
community and I talk to a lot they are

1092
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,380
basically seriously concerned that we

1093
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:27,359
are on the precipice of a nuclear

1094
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,300
conflagration that that we you know are

1095
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,280
literally a hairsprayed the way from a

1096
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:35,040
confrontation with Vladimir Putin

1097
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:37,500
a much more dangerous scenario than the

1098
00:42:43,329 --> 00:42:40,680
1963 Cuban Missile Crisis and that is

1099
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:43,339
distracting people from the main game

1100
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,260
which for us largely of course has been

1101
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,880
finding out what it is that all these

1102
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,280
countries know particularly the us about

1103
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:52,560
the phenomenon and I think there's been

1104
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,839
a deliberate slowing down inside the

1105
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:56,339
Pentagon and the intelligence Community

1106
00:43:01,010 --> 00:42:58,980
especially in the last year because the

1107
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,020
international situation has deteriorated

1108
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,440
so badly since the invasion of Ukraine

1109
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,880
China is still on the boil I mean

1110
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,680
there's a minister in my government in

1111
00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:09,240
the previous government who unilaterally

1112
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,000
committed to go to war against China

1113
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:13,980
with the us over the Straits of Taiwan

1114
00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:17,220
uh in the event of a clash between China

1115
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:20,579
and America and over Taiwan and you know

1116
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:23,339
for me as a journalist that's a real

1117
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:25,140
worry that my country might be being

1118
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,000
sucked into a war that could quite

1119
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:29,700
easily go nuclear and so the people that

1120
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:32,180
are talking to me about

1121
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:35,220
uaps who are telling me that yes the the

1122
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:38,280
five eyes Alliance is and still does

1123
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,720
receive take daily on UAP sightings

1124
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:43,680
um

1125
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:46,440
I'm not surprised they're distracted by

1126
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:49,500
the continually continuing deteriorating

1127
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,660
International situation and I'm not

1128
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,880
surprised the Congress as well is

1129
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:56,220
accepting arguments that I know are

1130
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:58,200
being made by people from the Pentagon

1131
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:00,359
that hey look let's put this on the back

1132
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:01,740
burner of it for the moment you know

1133
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,660
we've got serious International crises

1134
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,180
that we're dealing with right now

1135
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:07,920
um one of the other issues the second

1136
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,140
issue behind all of this is the

1137
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:11,520
possibility that what we're talking

1138
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,560
about is some kind of advanced

1139
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:15,180
technology

1140
00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:17,400
I mean the implications of the Pentagon

1141
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,859
UAP task force report from June last

1142
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:21,480
year are there

1143
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:24,660
something someone seems to be operating

1144
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:26,099
technology

1145
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,640
objects possibly craft in our atmosphere

1146
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,680
under our oceans and probably also in

1147
00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:34,500
orbit that are doing things that are far

1148
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:36,839
beyond known human technology

1149
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:40,260
now for Any Nation on this planet to be

1150
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:42,660
able to control and master what is

1151
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,440
represented by that apparent technology

1152
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,839
is enormously significant strategically

1153
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,359
it would give you an it would confer an

1154
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,640
incredible advantage and I think that's

1155
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,200
the second issue aside from the

1156
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:56,880
deteriorating International situation

1157
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,780
it's the fact that behind the scenes

1158
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:03,119
I think things like the release of the

1159
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,940
Wilson memo which may or may not be a

1160
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:07,680
real document but what it's done is it's

1161
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:10,920
heightened public awareness of the issue

1162
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:13,859
of a crash retrieval claim the mystery

1163
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,140
of alleged crash retrievals inside the

1164
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:18,000
US government

1165
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:20,700
I suspect crash retrievals have occurred

1166
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:23,819
I suspect technology that is possibly

1167
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,339
not human has been recovered

1168
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:29,280
and if that's the case if I was the U.S

1169
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:30,839
defense department and the intelligence

1170
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,020
Community I would be keeping it secret I

1171
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,500
really would sure one of the things one

1172
00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:38,880
of the things that has happened with

1173
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,579
things like the uh the debate over the

1174
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,680
Wilson documents the Admiral Wilson memo

1175
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,960
is that it's brought this issue into the

1176
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,760
Forefront at a time that's actually

1177
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:49,980
quite inconvenient for the disclosure

1178
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:50,940
process

1179
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,920
because I actually think that there was

1180
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,660
a group of people

1181
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:56,640
especially around the time of Hillary

1182
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,160
Clinton's campaign for the presidency

1183
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,980
around 2015. there was a group of people

1184
00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:04,319
who were working from inside the

1185
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,140
intelligence and the defense Community

1186
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,599
who were thinking well let's do a very

1187
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:12,300
controlled disclosure let's yes let's

1188
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:13,800
reveal

1189
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:18,359
there is a mystery

1190
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:20,280
but let's be very careful let's try and

1191
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:22,140
control it because okay we've got these

1192
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:24,119
programs here where we're we're looking

1193
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,800
at this technology but let's just keep

1194
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,660
that to one side let's just let's let

1195
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,180
the public know that yes there is

1196
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:32,160
genuinely a non-human Intelligence on

1197
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:34,200
this planet and that maybe we need to

1198
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:36,119
reveal that to them before say I don't

1199
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:38,940
know 2024 2025 maybe there was a

1200
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:40,740
strategy in place

1201
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:42,839
and I think

1202
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:46,319
one of the issues is that um the focus

1203
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:49,260
of a lot of people on Crash retrievals

1204
00:46:53,809 --> 00:46:51,000
has made it very inconvenient for them

1205
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:53,819
now to be more open about that possible

1206
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:56,280
Revelation I'm only speculating here but

1207
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,960
it would explain you know the

1208
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:00,079
deteriorating International situation

1209
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,319
and the um the focus on alleged crash

1210
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,800
retrievals the publicity about a program

1211
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,599
talked by people like Louis zondo and

1212
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,280
indeed indications by people like Chris

1213
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,220
mellum and others Eric Davis I'll put

1214
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:16,140
off the suggestion that there is some

1215
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,940
kind of Technology that's been retained

1216
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,040
by the US government this has been

1217
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,260
inconvenient for those who perhaps want

1218
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,540
to try and control the narrative

1219
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:27,359
and um I think that's why we're seeing a

1220
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:28,980
bit of a walk back at the moment I I

1221
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:30,660
think that there's a serious possibility

1222
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,300
that unless the mainstreaming media

1223
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:35,880
Embraces this issue and unless

1224
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,339
UFO social media actually starts acting

1225
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,520
in a unanimous and consensus way and

1226
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,680
taking a deliberative position we're in

1227
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:45,540
a coordinated way it presents a

1228
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:47,819
Viewpoint to the the Congress and to the

1229
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,800
the general public that shows a

1230
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,200
unanimity of opinion

1231
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,000
um at the moment we're doing exactly the

1232
00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:55,920
opposite we're basically tearing

1233
00:48:02,569 --> 00:47:59,339
ourselves apart there are trolls who are

1234
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:02,579
having great fun attacking anybody who

1235
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,220
comes forward uh and in fact if I was a

1236
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,440
whistleblower I'd keep my head down I

1237
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,020
wouldn't be willing to testify

1238
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:13,200
no I wouldn't either if uh what's going

1239
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:14,940
on right now like you mentioned is just

1240
00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:17,940
nasty uh when it comes down to

1241
00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:19,859
um your views on what's going on because

1242
00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:21,420
we've you know we've changed our

1243
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:23,339
opinions or our thoughts quite a bit on

1244
00:48:28,690 --> 00:48:25,800
the podcast as of late we've had uh

1245
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,700
extra terrestrial extra tempestral

1246
00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:30,660
ultra-terrestrial so we have all these

1247
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:33,960
different ideas uh we think it's a just

1248
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:36,180
a combination of the whole lot like you

1249
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,980
know it's not just extraterrestrial it

1250
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:40,319
could be inter-dimensional as well

1251
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:42,060
that's the way we're viewing things

1252
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,060
right now in on the podcast do you have

1253
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:47,280
any ideas to what is going on do you

1254
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,140
think it's extraterrestrial only or is

1255
00:48:53,450 --> 00:48:51,480
there something else going on

1256
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:53,460
um that at least you get an inkling that

1257
00:49:01,390 --> 00:48:57,660
uh might be happening look all I know is

1258
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:01,400
that there is solid evidence in my view

1259
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,660
that something

1260
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:04,980
someone

1261
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:07,160
is

1262
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:13,740
things that we can't do on our planet

1263
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,540
there appears to be a technology

1264
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:17,760
operating particularly in our atmosphere

1265
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:20,280
but also underwater and in the orbit

1266
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,700
which um is displaying what Louis zondo

1267
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:26,040
has dubbed to the five observables you

1268
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,740
know the Hypersonic velocity

1269
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:30,180
instantaneous acceleration

1270
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,819
stealth mode transmedium travel

1271
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,280
and um positive lift possibly

1272
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:37,440
anti-gravity

1273
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,540
um

1274
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:41,760
that's what I know that's all I know and

1275
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:44,460
all I can talk about is what I know

1276
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:46,700
um what I can speculate about

1277
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:49,500
is my personal view is that the least

1278
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:52,859
likely explanation is extraterrestrial

1279
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:55,140
as the broad explanation for what we're

1280
00:49:59,809 --> 00:49:57,000
looking at here I wouldn't be surprised

1281
00:50:01,970 --> 00:49:59,819
if we've been visited by life forms from

1282
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:01,980
another planet but I don't think that

1283
00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:04,200
explains all of the phenomena that have

1284
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:07,859
been recorded and seen and

1285
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:10,260
um greater minds than I are talking

1286
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,260
about inter-dimensional or even crypto

1287
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:15,359
terrestrial things that have long been

1288
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,579
here that have been sharing this planet

1289
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,920
with us I'm very much a crypto

1290
00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:22,079
terrestrial at the moment I I suspect

1291
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:24,119
that it's not extraterrestrial I suspect

1292
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:26,339
it's been around us for some time

1293
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:28,380
and um

1294
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,300
I don't know why I mean the thing that

1295
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:32,460
I'm fascinated by I don't know why the

1296
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:34,020
cover-up you know I really don't know

1297
00:50:37,609 --> 00:50:35,940
why governments don't just go because I

1298
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,619
mean I've I've had Frank conversations

1299
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,359
with people in the defense and

1300
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,400
intelligence Community where they flatly

1301
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,500
admit to me that this is real that they

1302
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:45,000
believe there is a non-human

1303
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,560
intelligence that is operating on this

1304
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,520
planet

1305
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,640
now I don't know that for sure

1306
00:50:54,049 --> 00:50:52,619
I'm not saying that I'm not alleging

1307
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:54,059
that because I have no evidence to

1308
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:56,280
support it but people who purport to be

1309
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:57,720
in a position of knowledge are telling

1310
00:51:02,270 --> 00:50:59,400
me that that's their View

1311
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:02,280
now what I don't understand when I talk

1312
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,099
to them about it is why why the secrecy

1313
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,200
why not just completely be completely

1314
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:09,119
open and upfront about it

1315
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:16,490
I think there's a a a a a a a series of

1316
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,059
explanations

1317
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,400
um I've been told a few

1318
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:22,079
one of them is the reason why Louis

1319
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,140
zondo says he's quite somber about

1320
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:27,180
what he knows

1321
00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:28,400
um

1322
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:31,380
uh I I just don't know I mean I'm

1323
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:33,300
speculating if I tell you what I think I

1324
00:51:38,030 --> 00:51:36,720
mean I I um all I know is that there is

1325
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:38,040
a phenomenon

1326
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,200
that is displaying itself and it's

1327
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:42,119
displaying itself much more overtly at

1328
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,260
the moment than it has in previous

1329
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:45,599
decades where we're going through a

1330
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,640
period of extraordinary display of the

1331
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:50,160
phenomena and my sources in military

1332
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:52,980
tell me that it's being recorded on um

1333
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,500
specialized radar systems and synthetic

1334
00:52:00,849 --> 00:51:57,480
aperture radar far more commonly now

1335
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,859
than it was 10 20 years ago

1336
00:52:05,809 --> 00:52:03,359
why it's showing itself more frequently

1337
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,819
I don't know but there's a there's a

1338
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:08,460
greater level of overt display of its

1339
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,480
existence

1340
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:11,280
and maybe it's a Consciousness raising

1341
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:13,079
thing I have no idea

1342
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:14,520
but

1343
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:15,300
um

1344
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:18,359
what I do feel very very strongly is

1345
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:21,000
that um we are doing ourselves an

1346
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:24,180
enormous disservice by getting bogged

1347
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:26,339
down and debates about whether it's real

1348
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:28,260
when the US government has admitted

1349
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,940
formally that it's real

1350
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,920
and we just need to stop tying ourselves

1351
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:33,359
up in knots about it I mean that's where

1352
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,700
I disagree with Mick West because Mick

1353
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,440
West keeps on coming on with his bloody

1354
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:39,359
seagulls series and his Reflections on

1355
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:42,180
visor's theories and and and you know

1356
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:43,859
it's kind of like tilting at windmills

1357
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:45,900
he's the Don Quixote of skepticism he's

1358
00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:47,460
still tilting at The Windmills of

1359
00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:49,559
skepticism when frankly the bus has

1360
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:51,300
already left the gate you know it's it's

1361
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,880
ridiculous the the simple fact is the

1362
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,160
United States has admitted the most

1363
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,140
powerful country on this planet has

1364
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,540
admitted there there is a phenomenon it

1365
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:02,880
cannot explain

1366
00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:05,460
and and I presume that they have

1367
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:08,040
investigated that phenomena prosaically

1368
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:10,380
for prosaic explanations and not being

1369
00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:12,900
able to come up with an explanation

1370
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,819
and and that's the thing that fascinates

1371
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:17,220
me is that that's what requires to be

1372
00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:19,500
explained before the Congress that's why

1373
00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:22,619
I found the um the appearance of um Mr

1374
00:53:28,849 --> 00:53:26,819
Moultrie and Mr Bray from odni in May so

1375
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:28,859
totally frustrating because the Congress

1376
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,380
albeit well-intentioned many many

1377
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,119
Congressmen were very well intentioned

1378
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:35,520
they had no idea what questions to ask

1379
00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:37,559
there was such a unique opportunity to

1380
00:53:40,849 --> 00:53:39,480
question two of the most powerful and

1381
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:40,859
the most knowledgeable intelligence

1382
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,140
officials on this issue on the planet

1383
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:45,540
and they missed their boat they missed

1384
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:46,859
their opportunity

1385
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:50,040
so I can only hope that public momentum

1386
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,619
to push for public hearings not just

1387
00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:54,900
secret hearings but public hearings

1388
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:57,300
continues because there's indubitably

1389
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,700
going to be private hearings I'm sure

1390
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,920
some of them have already happened

1391
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,900
multiple such hearings have already

1392
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,000
happened and I've spoken to politicians

1393
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:07,920
who've been in those hearings and of

1394
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:10,020
their staffers and it's rocked their

1395
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:11,220
world view

1396
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,740
but frankly I don't think the public is

1397
00:54:18,829 --> 00:54:15,240
going to get an insight into what the

1398
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:18,839
Congress is or has been told

1399
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:21,660
um uh unless they agitate unless they

1400
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:23,640
make it a political issue it needs to be

1401
00:54:27,049 --> 00:54:25,020
a political issue in the midterm

1402
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,059
elections it needs to be a mainstream

1403
00:54:31,790 --> 00:54:30,180
concern in mainstream media and frankly

1404
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:31,800
at the moment it's not

1405
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,460
uh it's it's dying uh and part of the

1406
00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:37,500
reason why it's dying is because UFO

1407
00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:39,500
social media is tearing itself apart

1408
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,059
listening to trolls who are just having

1409
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:44,460
great fun causing dissent and mischief

1410
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,720
music

1411
00:54:50,089 --> 00:54:47,640
too much fighting

1412
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:50,099
yeah no it's it's great that uh

1413
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,780
journalists like yourselves are are

1414
00:54:55,549 --> 00:54:53,760
taking this seriously and that you're

1415
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:55,559
reporting on this and that you're you're

1416
00:55:01,130 --> 00:54:57,780
investigating it because it gives it

1417
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:01,140
more credibility here in Canada we have

1418
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:03,180
officially acknowledged five incidences

1419
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:05,700
that have taken place historically with

1420
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:08,700
ufps and UFOs we have five coins now

1421
00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:11,940
that are official uh that have uh the

1422
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:13,740
incident you know printed on it and

1423
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:15,660
everything so it's awesome the problem

1424
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:18,900
is is that our journalistic aspects in

1425
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,480
Canada is horrible they wait two weeks

1426
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,040
behind the United States before they

1427
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,960
confirm anything and it's the same thing

1428
00:55:28,990 --> 00:55:26,700
with the UAP like we were seeing a lot

1429
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:29,000
more activity on CNN and all that jazz

1430
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:32,040
interviews left right and center and

1431
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,900
Canada was two weeks behind to start

1432
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:35,760
reporting that this might be real but

1433
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,640
they still use slides that make it look

1434
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,800
silly right and now on a lighter note

1435
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,680
let's look at uaps how is that a lighter

1436
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:45,599
note that's like the most serious Topic

1437
00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:48,359
in the world so I I don't understand how

1438
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:50,099
they come up with that so it's great

1439
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,780
that journalists like yourselves with

1440
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:53,520
really great reputations are taken this

1441
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,460
seriously because as for me I you know I

1442
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:58,079
I'm in awe of everything that you've

1443
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,420
done so far because that takes a lot of

1444
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:02,400
balls you know to be able to come out

1445
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:04,380
like that and say hey let's look at this

1446
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:05,880
subject seriously give it some

1447
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:07,559
credibility and severity that it

1448
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,180
deserves

1449
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:10,740
yeah I mean that's what I'm trying to do

1450
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:12,540
I mean I'm kind of hoping that I can

1451
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,940
bludgeon some American Network into

1452
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,040
putting up the funding for what I dream

1453
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:19,920
of doing which is long form

1454
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:22,260
TV series investigation into the

1455
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:24,119
phenomenon in a really credible and

1456
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,220
authoritative way

1457
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:28,920
um I'd really like Bryce zable and I are

1458
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,980
really Keen to do more long-form

1459
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:33,660
investigative journalism that's well

1460
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,020
funded uh because you know there are

1461
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:39,119
some shows on American TV but I'll be

1462
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,200
honest with you I don't think they have

1463
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:42,660
enough journalistic rigor and one of the

1464
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:43,980
things that I've been quite pleasantly

1465
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:46,980
impressed and surprised by is when the

1466
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,920
audience engages with us and me in

1467
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:52,260
particular it's quite overwhelming I

1468
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,500
mean I I'm getting 300 to 500 emails a

1469
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,599
day I mean I apologize to you guys

1470
00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:59,280
because when you first emailed me I

1471
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:01,140
didn't find your email for a couple of

1472
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:03,720
weeks because I'm just snowed absolutely

1473
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,180
snowed with people from all over the

1474
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:07,920
world who are asking me to investigate

1475
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:12,000
their issue their citing their data and

1476
00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:14,280
there's a hunger out there for long-form

1477
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:16,980
investigative analysis and yet what

1478
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,780
seems to be happening is a trivializing

1479
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:20,640
in a lot of the TV shows and a lot of

1480
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,240
what's done on UFO social media it's

1481
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,440
almost trivialized and mocked in

1482
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,599
underwrited and that's not what the

1483
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:29,040
audience wants they want to be taken

1484
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:31,500
seriously and

1485
00:57:38,809 --> 00:57:34,859
you know I I for example um

1486
00:57:41,210 --> 00:57:38,819
I aired uh in one of my documentaries

1487
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,220
um an interview with a Queensland farmer

1488
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,680
in Australia who suffered cattle

1489
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,599
mutilations on his property

1490
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:47,400
and um

1491
00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:50,520
as a result of that story where he

1492
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:53,339
described these most extraordinary

1493
00:57:59,690 --> 00:57:56,700
um Beyond surgically precise Cuts you

1494
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,700
know he was describing literally

1495
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:01,200
um all of the

1496
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,880
tissue on an animal's head being excised

1497
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,960
with

1498
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,000
clinical Precision like not one little

1499
00:58:15,530 --> 00:58:11,760
iota of tissue was left on the animal's

1500
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:15,540
skull it was completely exsanguinated

1501
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:18,359
um totally you know beyond the expertise

1502
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:21,780
of any Veterinary surgeon one of the

1503
00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:23,700
cases that I examined was a Veterinary

1504
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:25,559
surgeon where

1505
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:27,300
um as you probably know cows have got

1506
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,180
three stomachs and to do an autopsy on a

1507
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,339
cow you you have to pull out the first

1508
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,079
stomach then the second stomach to get

1509
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,760
to the third stomach is it three or four

1510
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,680
I can't remember I believe it's four

1511
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:39,599
yeah it's four you're right well in this

1512
00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:41,940
case the third stomach could only be

1513
00:58:46,849 --> 00:58:44,579
accessed by lifting the first and the

1514
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:46,859
second stomach and then he literally got

1515
00:58:50,809 --> 00:58:48,180
there and the third stomach wasn't there

1516
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:50,819
anymore there was an excision there was

1517
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,400
no blood it just wasn't there

1518
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,680
and it was technically impossible this

1519
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:57,359
Veterinary surgeon told me to have

1520
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:00,359
removed such a large organ with no

1521
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:03,180
discernible excision points on the

1522
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,400
animal's exterior carcass

1523
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:07,920
and you know the the veterinary surgeon

1524
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:09,480
showed me the photographs that he'd done

1525
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:12,839
of the autopsy he was baffled by it

1526
00:59:19,089 --> 00:59:15,660
but the terrible thing was

1527
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:19,099
he was terrified for his reputation in

1528
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,799
coming forward speaking publicly

1529
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:24,359
um I still talk to him and engage with

1530
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:25,619
him but

1531
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,780
this is the Dilemma that we have at the

1532
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:30,240
moment that there are witnesses out

1533
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:31,020
there

1534
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:33,660
who hold evidence like that he's sitting

1535
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:35,819
on files photographs

1536
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,940
detailed autopsy analysis

1537
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,799
strong overwhelming evidence that there

1538
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,720
really is something to the cattle

1539
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:44,400
mutilation phenomenon

1540
00:59:49,069 --> 00:59:46,680
but he wouldn't even speak to his

1541
00:59:50,289 --> 00:59:49,079
professional body in Australia

1542
00:59:52,910 --> 00:59:50,299
because

1543
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,920
he's worried about losing his job and

1544
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,599
losing the credentials that he has that

1545
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:56,400
he enjoys that he's built up over 30 or

1546
01:00:02,809 --> 00:59:59,280
40 years and the irony is

1547
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:02,819
I'm the recipient now of probably six or

1548
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:04,440
seven probably let's say half a dozen

1549
01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:06,900
such cases of Surgeons Veterinary

1550
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:09,059
surgeons contacting me from all over

1551
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:11,099
Australia and also from over the world

1552
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:13,740
all over the world who've had similar

1553
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,960
cattle mutilations incidents

1554
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:18,780
and none of them feel confident about

1555
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:20,520
coming forward because we still have

1556
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,099
this climate that we ourselves have

1557
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:24,720
allowed to Foster

1558
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:28,319
of negative trolling of people who have

1559
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:30,540
the courage to come forward and believe

1560
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:33,240
me sirs this is the issue

1561
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:36,420
you know we are there is not any issue

1562
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:39,540
that is more stigmatized

1563
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,660
and taboo as a subject than the subject

1564
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:44,880
of uaps and the Paranormal phenomena

1565
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,220
that appears to be associated with it

1566
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:49,680
such as abductions and cattle

1567
01:00:54,049 --> 01:00:52,200
mutilations I personally think we should

1568
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:54,059
be investigating this phenomena whether

1569
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:56,339
it's real or not you know people are

1570
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:57,540
claiming that it's real let's

1571
01:01:01,849 --> 01:00:59,940
investigate it but the difficulty is

1572
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:01,859
that the people who can validate it and

1573
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:03,720
I know this from personal experience the

1574
01:01:08,329 --> 01:01:05,880
witnesses who are sitting there on

1575
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:08,339
incredibly important evidence they're

1576
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:11,460
looking at the way that we behave as

1577
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:14,460
investigators and sadly whilst I'm happy

1578
01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:17,400
and confident in my own behavior and I'm

1579
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:18,839
sure you're confident and happy and

1580
01:01:23,450 --> 01:01:22,079
yours we are disgracing ourselves as a

1581
01:01:25,069 --> 01:01:23,460
community with the way that we treat

1582
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:25,079
people who have the courage to come

1583
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,500
forward and this is why this matters so

1584
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,960
right now across different parts of the

1585
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,119
world there are people who are watching

1586
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,760
the US Congress very very closely

1587
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:37,680
some of them have been approached by

1588
01:01:41,329 --> 01:01:39,540
Congressional investigators from the

1589
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:41,339
Senate armed services committee and the

1590
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:42,960
house intelligence committee and they've

1591
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:44,339
been asked would you be willing to give

1592
01:01:49,549 --> 01:01:46,980
evidence in public hearings

1593
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:49,559
and there equivocating

1594
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:51,420
and who can blame them

1595
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:53,640
would you

1596
01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:55,740
you know the the interesting thing is

1597
01:01:58,030 --> 01:01:57,000
that

1598
01:02:02,569 --> 01:01:58,040
um

1599
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,579
one of the lines that's often used by

1600
01:02:06,890 --> 01:02:05,280
purported insiders to dismiss why the

1601
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:06,900
public should know about this issue is

1602
01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:08,900
that supposedly they're not ready

1603
01:02:14,089 --> 01:02:11,460
maybe we're not ready

1604
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,099
and maybe our infantile and purile

1605
01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:16,559
approach to the subject matter maybe the

1606
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,540
taboo and the ridiculing the

1607
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:21,359
stigmatizing maybe that's Illustrated as

1608
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:23,160
the fact that we aren't ready we haven't

1609
01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:25,500
matured we're not ready for this let's

1610
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:26,819
just put it back in a bottle for another

1611
01:02:31,370 --> 01:02:28,500
70 years and let them get on with their

1612
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:31,380
back engineering program you know I mean

1613
01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:34,200
I I really think people don't realize

1614
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,119
just how dangerous a situation it is

1615
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:38,160
right now because there are good people

1616
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,760
that I talk to in intelligence and the

1617
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:43,680
defense community

1618
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:47,040
who are really Keen for you

1619
01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:48,839
for the general public to know more

1620
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,940
about this issue they think you should

1621
01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:52,319
know

1622
01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:54,119
but they're looking on in Despair and

1623
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:55,619
just shaking their heads and just going

1624
01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:58,020
oh for God's sake bag of them you know I

1625
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:59,220
don't care anymore

1626
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:01,020
and and that's the issue I don't think

1627
01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:03,720
people realize just how much damage is

1628
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:07,400
being caused by the anti-intellectual

1629
01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:10,920
ridiculing trolling nastiness from a

1630
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,099
very small but very vocal minority

1631
01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:16,559
it's not a it's not a tangential side

1632
01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:19,500
issue it's the issue right

1633
01:03:26,329 --> 01:03:22,740
and and one of the issues is behind all

1634
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,089
so much of what passes for investigation

1635
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:31,200
on

1636
01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:33,420
UAP research

1637
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,940
it's just opinion you know it's just

1638
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,400
people saying what they think there's no

1639
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:41,099
attempt at rigor and really it's got to

1640
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:43,500
stop because it's scaring people away

1641
01:03:49,069 --> 01:03:47,400
and frankly we don't deserve

1642
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:49,079
whatever it is that needs to be

1643
01:03:55,730 --> 01:03:53,220
disclosed if we don't behave responsibly

1644
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:55,740
yeah agreed especially if it's going to

1645
01:04:00,049 --> 01:03:57,480
take an opening of our own minds

1646
01:04:01,730 --> 01:04:00,059
intellectually to even grasp what the

1647
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:01,740
hell this is like you know everybody

1648
01:04:06,289 --> 01:04:03,900
used to be quote unquote nuts and bolts

1649
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,299
ufologist and now you go down the rabbit

1650
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:08,579
hole and it's supernatural and you know

1651
01:04:12,829 --> 01:04:10,500
Cryptid based and all kinds of weird

1652
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,839
[\h__\h] you need to have a bigger brain

1653
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,119
than you've ever had and if as you said

1654
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,520
we are infantile and immature about this

1655
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:19,440
why the hell would they tell us like

1656
01:04:25,069 --> 01:04:22,260
we're just playing grade three rhetoric

1657
01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:25,079
on something that is like physics level

1658
01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:28,500
you know University of a concept we are

1659
01:04:32,809 --> 01:04:30,420
not ready if that's the best we can put

1660
01:04:34,849 --> 01:04:32,819
forward yeah yeah now I mean I think one

1661
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:34,859
of the most um enjoyable interviews I've

1662
01:04:40,609 --> 01:04:36,780
done this year was with Professor Michio

1663
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:40,619
Kaku who has a scientific rigor about

1664
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:42,839
him because he's a brilliant scientist

1665
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:46,799
but he also has the the capacity for

1666
01:04:50,329 --> 01:04:49,260
imagination the capacity to think

1667
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:50,339
creatively

1668
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,700
and that's so rare in science because

1669
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,200
one of the things that's not really

1670
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,540
talked about in science is that even

1671
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:00,240
science is guilty of dogmaticism

1672
01:05:05,329 --> 01:05:03,420
you know there's a there's I mean I one

1673
01:05:08,329 --> 01:05:05,339
of the things that I would gently

1674
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:08,339
suggest in his analysis of the Ukrainian

1675
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:11,520
uh UAP objects there were two failings

1676
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:15,240
uh Professor Ravi Loeb did a I think an

1677
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:18,059
analysis of the Ukrainian astronomical

1678
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:19,859
paper which suggested they'd seen

1679
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:22,140
so-called Phantoms

1680
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,660
um uh with their astronomical equipment

1681
01:05:28,849 --> 01:05:26,940
over Ukraine and I was interested in

1682
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:28,859
that because it was whilst separate and

1683
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:31,559
irrelevant it was in the same area as my

1684
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:33,420
British soldier Source was telling me

1685
01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:35,099
he'd seen an object so I was interested

1686
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,599
to read the paper

1687
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:38,880
now there's two issues firstly the

1688
01:05:44,329 --> 01:05:40,619
Ukrainian scientists appear to have made

1689
01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:44,339
a terrible mistake in their numbers and

1690
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:46,200
Avi load quite correctly picked them up

1691
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:47,400
on that

1692
01:05:52,609 --> 01:05:49,260
but the other mistake that I thought

1693
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:52,619
that possibly Avi lobe is oblivious of

1694
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:55,260
but then I looked at the um website of

1695
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,180
the Galileo project and it's their

1696
01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:59,520
avowed opinion that they won't depart

1697
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:02,520
Beyond known physics in explaining

1698
01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:03,960
phenomena

1699
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:07,020
but one of the issues here is that it's

1700
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:08,940
clear that whatever this phenomena is

1701
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:10,980
you know avilobe was basically talking

1702
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,680
about the way these objects moved you

1703
01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:15,839
know if it was as the Ukrainian

1704
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:18,180
scientists described it couldn't

1705
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,579
possibly conform to known you know

1706
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,799
terrestrial physics therefore it's not

1707
01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:24,000
real

1708
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:25,980
but I think one of the things that I

1709
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:27,660
find interesting is when I talk to other

1710
01:06:32,329 --> 01:06:30,180
scientists they're saying yes but

1711
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:32,339
Quantum science admits the possibility

1712
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:33,420
of

1713
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:35,700
explanations that are not within known

1714
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:39,480
Newtonian physics and so I think what

1715
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,400
perhaps needs to happen in mainstream

1716
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:43,680
science is there needs to begin to be

1717
01:06:48,650 --> 01:06:45,720
the acknowledgment that whatever this

1718
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:48,660
phenomenon is it's displaying capacities

1719
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:50,940
that can't be explained with Newtonian

1720
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,940
physics yeah and as we move into the

1721
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:56,400
quantum World we're talking about the

1722
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:58,920
possibilities of

1723
01:07:04,490 --> 01:07:01,520
um an alcobia Drive which allows

1724
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,500
distortions of space-time to move at

1725
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:06,960
extraordinary speeds and distances and

1726
01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:09,180
across time Across the Universe it's

1727
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,920
only a theoretical possibility at the

1728
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:12,720
moment but perhaps this explains this

1729
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:13,920
phenomenon

1730
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,480
and I guess one of the things that

1731
01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:18,240
really surprised me was in as imminent a

1732
01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:20,579
professor as Avi lobe's analysis I see

1733
01:07:24,529 --> 01:07:22,380
now that I understand his Galileo

1734
01:07:26,809 --> 01:07:24,539
project he probably quite rightly

1735
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:26,819
constrains himself to what he believes

1736
01:07:33,289 --> 01:07:30,119
he knows from Accepted Modern Newtonian

1737
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:33,299
physics but the um the issue is we have

1738
01:07:36,529 --> 01:07:34,619
to start opening our minds

1739
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:36,539
scientifically to the possibility that

1740
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:39,660
the explanation lies outside known human

1741
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,460
science yeah and so if we in UAP social

1742
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,799
media need to open our minds I think

1743
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:48,720
mainstream science needs to open its

1744
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:50,520
Minds as well to the possibilities and

1745
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,200
that's where Michio Kaku is quite

1746
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,240
refreshing and interesting because he's

1747
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:56,400
conceding that yes the phenomena is

1748
01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:00,079
displaying technologies that are Beyond

1749
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:04,140
known terrestrial science and that's

1750
01:08:07,789 --> 01:08:05,400
where it's getting interesting because

1751
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:07,799
there's a dynamic happening inside

1752
01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:11,400
science where thinkers like Kaku are

1753
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:12,660
basically pushing back against

1754
01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:15,059
mainstream dark matter which basically

1755
01:08:19,570 --> 01:08:17,460
says no it can't possibly be true

1756
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,580
because it's not in my textbook

1757
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:22,080
and the reality is maybe the textbooks

1758
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:24,839
are wrong yeah and and similarly with

1759
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:26,940
UAP social media

1760
01:08:33,229 --> 01:08:30,719
I don't think we should exclude

1761
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,239
what some people ridicule in social

1762
01:08:38,689 --> 01:08:35,520
media uh things like the abduction

1763
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:38,699
phenomenon the experience of phenomenon

1764
01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:41,160
um the cattle mutilation phenomenon

1765
01:08:45,169 --> 01:08:42,600
because

1766
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:45,179
in my book as a journalist there are so

1767
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:47,640
many witness sightings that establish if

1768
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,259
you like a

1769
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,839
um and our priority assumption that okay

1770
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:54,000
there is clearly something here prima

1771
01:08:57,890 --> 01:08:55,679
facie there is there is something here

1772
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,900
that needs to be investigated

1773
01:09:02,450 --> 01:09:00,000
do we just because we find it

1774
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:02,460
confronting to our worldview do we just

1775
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:05,160
immediately ridicule it and dismiss it I

1776
01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:06,299
don't think we should I think we should

1777
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:07,620
investigate it

1778
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:11,940
and if the response of people

1779
01:09:15,709 --> 01:09:13,560
in the

1780
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,719
social media sphere is going to be to

1781
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:17,520
ridicule and denigrate people who have

1782
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:19,319
the courage to come forward and say well

1783
01:09:24,289 --> 01:09:21,480
look frankly this is what I saw I don't

1784
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:24,299
care what you think this is what I saw

1785
01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:26,279
then it lessens and diminishes the

1786
01:09:28,910 --> 01:09:27,779
critics more than it does the person

1787
01:09:31,150 --> 01:09:28,920
coming forward

1788
01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:31,160
and I think this is the issue is that

1789
01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:34,440
there is a um a lack of science being

1790
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,540
shown by some scientists and there is a

1791
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,400
lack of science being shown or a lack of

1792
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:41,520
rational analysis being shown by some in

1793
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:44,100
the field of people who do this kind of

1794
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:46,859
investigative research and so it's

1795
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:50,480
vitally important that we yes accept

1796
01:09:56,510 --> 01:09:53,580
skepticism we accept criticism we

1797
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,520
acknowledge when we are wrong

1798
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:58,800
um but let's be nice yeah

1799
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:01,920
truly I mean I it's not hard

1800
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:04,140
um the best scientists I've ever met

1801
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:08,100
have been open-minded kind ones who

1802
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:12,000
aren't egotistical who Embrace ideas and

1803
01:10:16,850 --> 01:10:14,460
and who love the mischief and the fun of

1804
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,860
thinking about alternative explanations

1805
01:10:20,689 --> 01:10:18,719
and that's the way frankly good

1806
01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:20,699
journalism works as well

1807
01:10:25,790 --> 01:10:23,640
um a lot of Journalism is intuitive you

1808
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:25,800
know a lot of it is based on a gut

1809
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:28,260
feeling that drives you to investigate

1810
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:30,300
something and you often can't put your

1811
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:31,560
finger on why you think there's

1812
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,480
something to it but at the very

1813
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:35,040
beginning of my research when I was

1814
01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:36,600
writing my book

1815
01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:38,820
I remember I read all the history I went

1816
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,920
through the cia's library I mean for

1817
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,480
example I was reading about CIA

1818
01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:44,880
documents that showed that there were

1819
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:48,060
retrievals of disks these are still

1820
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:50,940
unexplained on the cia's records

1821
01:10:56,570 --> 01:10:53,580
official records where the CIA is

1822
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,580
acknowledging recovering disks large

1823
01:11:02,030 --> 01:10:58,080
disks

1824
01:11:04,910 --> 01:11:02,040
that's crazy why why do we why do we

1825
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:04,920
consume ourselves with this pathetic

1826
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,520
infighting and nastiness when there is

1827
01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:10,440
this reality out there that needs to be

1828
01:11:15,169 --> 01:11:13,080
investigated and confronted all we're

1829
01:11:18,010 --> 01:11:15,179
doing is playing into the hands of those

1830
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:18,020
who seek to distract us yeah and I think

1831
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:20,580
that inevitably is what is going to

1832
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,219
happen and I frankly I'm very very

1833
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:25,679
pessimistic I was a lot more pessimistic

1834
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:27,540
at the beginning of this year before the

1835
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:29,100
Ukraine conflict

1836
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:32,699
uh but um I'm less optimistic now

1837
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:35,820
because I think that the um uh the

1838
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:37,620
international situation has deteriorated

1839
01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:39,420
I think that there's greater priorities

1840
01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:42,120
now than uaps and frankly I think the

1841
01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:43,260
whole thing's going to slide onto the

1842
01:11:47,630 --> 01:11:46,020
back burner indefinitely uh you know

1843
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:47,640
we're moving into a really serious

1844
01:11:52,729 --> 01:11:50,880
International crisis right now far more

1845
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:52,739
dangerous that in any time in my

1846
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:53,880
lifetime

1847
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:57,540
uh and and I I wouldn't blame the

1848
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,980
intelligence community and the defense

1849
01:12:03,050 --> 01:12:01,199
Community for going you know what let's

1850
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:03,060
just shelve this uip stuff for a while

1851
01:12:06,649 --> 01:12:04,920
Congress yeah let's just forget about

1852
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:06,659
those bloody hearings for a while I

1853
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:07,739
wouldn't be surprised I've got no

1854
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:09,659
indication of that happening but and I

1855
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,219
know that there are whistleblowers

1856
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:13,199
talking about coming forward Gary Nolan

1857
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:15,000
Professor Gary Nolan told me he'd

1858
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:15,960
actually met

1859
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:17,940
some of the whistleblowers who he knows

1860
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:19,380
will be giving evidence

1861
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:22,980
but the um the simple reality is that um

1862
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:24,780
unless we keep up the pressure and

1863
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:27,300
unless we show a unanimity of a

1864
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:28,920
consensus position that this is

1865
01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:29,820
something that is worthwhile

1866
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:32,340
investigating all we're doing is playing

1867
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,100
into the hands of those who seek to lie

1868
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:37,920
and dissemble for another 70 years

1869
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,920
the Richard dodies of the uh of the

1870
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,480
industry unfortunately yeah I mean I

1871
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,400
don't for the life of me understand why

1872
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:47,760
Richard Doty gets any traction anywhere

1873
01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:50,340
on any investigative program because

1874
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,260
he's an admitted liar he's an admitted

1875
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,080
disinformation agent I mean for me I

1876
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:57,120
mean I I quite like him I mean the odd

1877
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:58,320
thing is when I've watched him on

1878
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,120
YouTube videos he comes across as quite

1879
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,400
an amiable and friendly guy which is

1880
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,400
what disinformation people have to be

1881
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,800
but the fact that he's admitted

1882
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:08,880
essentially running an intelligence

1883
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:11,580
operation against a U.S citizen that in

1884
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:14,040
and of itself is a crime yeah I don't

1885
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,600
for the life of me know why his

1886
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:17,520
admissions haven't been investigated by

1887
01:13:22,189 --> 01:13:20,580
Congress because after the um Church

1888
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:22,199
hearings the church commission hearings

1889
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:24,420
after Watergate there were very strict

1890
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:26,040
rules placed on the intelligence

1891
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,780
community in America to stop them from

1892
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:29,280
running intelligence operations against

1893
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:31,980
American citizens but the Paul benowitz

1894
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,380
story Richard Doty was up to his neck

1895
01:13:39,169 --> 01:13:36,480
and is a story about running an

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intelligence operation to disinform and

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eventually Drive crazy an American

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citizen who was a loyal and patriotic

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citizen basically raising his concerns

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with the US government so why I mean why

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do we give people like dirty currency

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he's admitted he lied let's move on and

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now he's going to conventions making

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money some people are making some really

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good money out of this it's crazy it's a

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crazy world like you said the world's

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getting crazier as uh the year goes on

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uh Louis do you have any final questions

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for our guest today no I just want to I

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you know send a huge thanks to Ross

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culthart here and basically what you

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were just saying towards the end as far

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as you know non-linear thinking

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non-Newtonian thinking and I've said

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this before the phenomenon is not

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Stranger than you think it may be

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Stranger than you can think and if we

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don't open our minds to bigger and

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better ideas you know gentlemen like

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Jacques valet been doing this for years

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and say yeah I've changed my mind a

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dozen times but still maintain that

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humility and the friendliness and the

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open-mindedness if it wasn't for that

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open-mindedness we wouldn't have got to

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where we are now so thank you for

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everything you do and are continuing to

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do it's refreshing and it's much needed

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as we've said there's so much [\h__\h] out

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there uh if it's not for guys to keep

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pushing that and saying you know what

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don't listen let's just keep doing what

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we're doing we're getting somewhere and

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you're definitely one of those players

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so more of a thanks than anything well

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thank you both to both of you Jason and

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Louie and um keep on doing the good work

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you're doing and I hope it all goes well

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for you and uh I promise you I will keep

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on tilting at windmills nice very good

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appreciate it thank you so much for

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coming on the show today Ross all the

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best guys cheers